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Current version: 0.41

Changelog


Version 0.41:

  • Added object pre-processing & caching system for much lower CPU usage in levels w/many objects
  • Added easy importing of spritesheet and map memory from external cart
  • Removed option to export individual level maps
  • Added customized grid color scheme for each background color
  • Added camera position bookmark for each level map
  • Object bounding box now appears along with X symbol to indicate objects can be deleted
  • Added readout of number of objects within screen range and total number in map (toggles on/off w/ 'o' key).
  • Spritesheet transparency color can now be set in system settings
  • Changed name of "Eraser Objects" to "Mask Objects" to avoid user confusion
  • Fixed: Undefined objects can no longer be accidentally added to level string.
  • Various optimizations

Version 0.40:

  • Added autotile mapping type
  • Added dedicated eraser object type
  • Eraser tiles now have visible symbol in editor for improved usability
  • Added per-object autotile interaction setting
  • Added outline of current default object selection to define object screen
  • Changed button for toggling define object screen from 'z' key to spacebar
  • Editor now accurately previews just a single layer of tiles
  • Reduced CPU usage for editor when rendering large levels
  • Reduced CPU usage for external cart rendering functions
  • Reduced token count for alternate external cart functions without autotiling feature
  • Level arrays now stored in extended RAM instead of table, reducing Lua memory usage
  • Added drop-in substitute function for fget(mget), for use of existing tile collision routines with level arrays
  • Updated sprite and map memory decompression function allows use of all 256 tiles
  • Map_array function now gets size parameters directly from level arrays
  • Fixed: exporting sequential levels no longer causes data location errors
  • Fixed: objects extending beyond bounds of level array no longer cause runtime errors

Version 0.30:

  • Added support for parallax scrolling backgrounds
  • Added eraser tile functionality
  • Made repeating pattern size adjustable for bordered objects
  • Revamped object definition structure to handle future added features
  • Sprite flags now export along with sprite and map data
  • Various optimizations and bug fixes

Version 0.21:

  • Updated appearance and changed system name from Metatile Map Editor to PicoMap
  • Various bug fixes

Version 0.20:

  • Reconfigured repeating pattern object types for adjustable pattern size
  • Added level delete option to editor menu
  • Changed various design elements to improve usability


PicoMap is a graphical map editor that allows console game size worlds to fit in a single Pico-8 cart. It does this using a version of metatiles, a compression technique used commonly with retro systems like the NES. Basically, levels are stored more efficiently by being built from groups of tiles instead of single tiles, just as images are stored more efficiently when built from tiles rather than single pixels.

To give you an idea of how efficient the scheme is, I built a playable demo of all Super Mario Bros. level maps with an earlier version, and they fit in just 3.9KB, about 1/3 of the storage space the system makes available. https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?tid=39469

I've worked hard to minimize the system's footprint so it's easy to add to game carts. It's very CPU-efficient and well-suited to 60fps games since map decompression is done only when loading a new level, and the system functions take up about 10% of the compressed size and token limits, or about 7% for the version without autotiling. You can use PicoMap in any project you want and modify the code to fit your application, just be sure to include attribution somewhere in your cart. Hopefully this will enable people to make some cool larger-scale games like platformers and action-adventures.


System outline

PicoMap lets users create levels from metatile "objects", like a tree, a hill, or a building, each of which is basically a reference to a rectangle of tiles in Pico 8's map memory. In the editor, levels are stored as lists of objects in string form, but when exported to a separate cart, these are condensed into raw binary data and stored in its spritesheet and map areas. Meanwhile, four strings are output to the clipboard-- compressed sprite and map memory data strings, and string-based lookup tables for the location of each level's data in cart memory, and a list of defined autotile types.

When the destination cart is run, the binary level data is transferred to Pico-8's upper 32KB of RAM and the spritesheet and map memory data are decompressed to the proper areas in cart memory. On loading a level, a table is created to contain its map, and this is filled using instructions from the binary level data. A portion of the level table slightly larger than one screen is then copied to the top right corner of Pico-8's map memory once each frame and mapped to the display. This allows each level to be any width or height, and up to 256 screens in size.


Controls

Editor

Left Mouse btn.-----Select or place object/bring up object placement preview
Right Mouse btn.---Click and hold to drag view/turn off object placement preview
Directional keys----Move view
Scroll Wheel--------Select object number
Space---------------Toggle object editor screen
Z--------------------Undo
X--------------------Delete object when mousing over its top left corner w/object placement preview off (dotted outline and X symbol will appear)

Editor shortcut keys

V-------------------Change variance type (when in obj.editing mode)
M-------------------Change mapping pattern type (when in obj.editing mode)
G-------------------Toggle grid
S-------------------New level string submenu
Q-------------------Previous level map
W------------------Next level map
I--------------------Import spritesheet, sprite flags, and map memory from external cart
E-------------------Export level maps to external cart
H-------------------Reset current map to Home position (screen 1,1)
O-------------------Toggle display of # of objects in range of screen and total # of objects in map

Viewer Cartridge

Directional keys---Move camera
Z-------------------Previous level map (optional)
X-------------------Next level map (optional)


Using the editor

Creating and managing maps

Once you've started the editor, if you want to create a new map string, open the menu and click on the 'new level map' icon. Select your desired background color, level type (work in progress), level width and height in screens, and press the checkmark icon to create the new string. To delete a map, go to it using either the left and right arrows in the menu, or the q and w keys on your keyboard. Then click the "delete" icon. If you delete a map by mistake, just click the Undo icon.

Spritesheet

Despite greatly increasing map storage size, PicoMap lets you use the entire spritesheet for graphics. It does this by compressing the spritesheet to a string, and storing levels as binary data (or what looks like rainbow-colored noise) in the spritesheet and map memory. Just draw or paste all of your sprites into the spritesheet of the editor cart, and when you export your levels to a test cart or your game cart, the spritesheet will be exported as well.

Defining Objects

Since your maps will be made from tile patterns in Pico-8's map memory, you'll need to draw each object type there before you can use it. Due to the way the system works, you'll need to keep a few limitations in mind.

To create objects to populate your level map, select the object category using the icons on the top right, then the object number either by clicking the thumbnail and selecting a slot from the drop down menu, or by using the mouse wheel. To create an object, go into object editing mode by pressing the spacebar and outline the rectangle of tiles that defines the object's default (minimum) size.

Object settings

Each object type can be made to have a variable size. This is done by changing two properties, its variance and mapping pattern. These are represented by icons in the lower right corner of the editor, next to the object's ID number.

--Variance
An object's variance type tells how its size can be altered when it's being placed in a level.The box that's highlighted defines the default (or minimum) size of an object, but if its size is variable along an axis, the size can be extended up to 15 tiles larger than the default size in that direction. Fixed-size objects take 2 bytes each, while ones whose size can vary on one or two axes take 2.5 and 3 bytes respectively (though it'd be possible to limit this to 2.5 bytes max via lookup tables if you only need certain types in a given level).

--Mapping type
This property controls the pattern of how map tiles are used to build objects in your level. This can allow objects to be made much larger than their representations in Pico-8's map area while still keeping their intended traits.

Something to keep in mind about autotile objects is once an item is set to this object type, the top left corner tile in its pattern (the basetile) is automatically processed as an autotile wherever it appears in the map. This can be useful for things like making screen-filling autotile objects by creating a multi-screen object using the basetile as the pattern. When exporting a level, the system outputs a list of all active basetiles in a string-based table called at_list, though if you're using the system functions without autotiling in your cart, you can just delete this.

To change settings for an object, go into the object editing mode and click on the buttons in the bottom right hand corner, or press the 'V' key to cycle through variance types and the 'M' key to cycle through mapping types.

Mask Tiles

To increase versatility and save memory, it's possible to partially mask off objects and let the background show through. This can be done by using the dedicated mask tool in the menu, or by building objects partially or fully from sprite #1, which contains an 'x' icon. This x pattern will appear in the editor, but will be invisible when you export your level data to a viewer cart.

Building maps

Now that you've created a level string and defined some objects, you can start building level maps. Before you do, though, here's something to keep in mind. While the editor will display your objects exactly how you place them, when they're exported and compressed, they'll be drawn in order of the screen in which they start.

Now using either the arrow keys or clicking and dragging with the right mouse button, you can move your view around the level to place objects. Pressing the right mouse button will also turn off the placement preview for the selected object, but you can turn that back on by clicking the left mouse button. Now, select the object you want to place, and either left click (for a fixed-size object), or left click and drag to place objects in the level. If you make a mistake, you can either click the undo icon, or you can delete any object by mousing over its top left corner until a white "X" appears, and pressing the X button. To toggle a grid that makes it easier to judge position and screen boundaries, just click the second icon at the top of the screen, or press "G".

Foreground layer

Background layer

Saving maps

The system continuously outputs the level you're working on and the list of definitions for all the objects you've defined to the clipboard as strings. To save these to the cartridge, just quit PicoMap by pressing escape, paste the contents of the clipboard over the current strings in the "data strings" tab of Pico-8's code editor, and save the cart.

Exporting Maps

Once you've made some levels, you can export them to a separate viewer cartridge, suitable to be incorporated into a game. The pm_testcart cartridge above is the default way to do this. It contains example code for viewing your maps, along with two different versions of the PicoMap system functions-- one with autotiling, and one without that uses fewer tokens. You can pick which one you want to use by commenting out or deleting the other set. To use the cart, download it and save it as a .p8 file. You can rename it to whatever you want, just make sure the name matches the "export_cart" variable in the editor cart's _init() function so your data will export to the right place.

Now run the editor, open the menu, and click the bottom cartridge icon to export all level maps to your new cart. Open the viewer cart, make sure "puny font mode" is enabled by pressing ctrl+p, and paste the contents of the clipboard into it. Now you can view your levels.

Importing Assets

To make transferring assets into the editor cart easier, the editor lets you import the spritesheet, sprite flags, and map memory from an external cart, which is useful if you've made a spritesheet previously, or you're switching over to a new version of PicoMap. Just set the "import_cart" variable in the first tab of the editor to the name of the cart you want to import the assets from, then run the editor and click the cartridge icon with the arrow going towards it to import. Note: sprite #1 will automatically be overwritten with the 'x' mask object sprite, also, make sure the map memory in the cart either has reference object patterns instead of regular level maps, or is empty.

Layering Maps

PicoMap uses a special function called map_array() to copy tile data from each layer to a dedicated section of map memory and then display it on screen. To display multiple maps on top of each other, which can increase scene complexity and/or be used for parallax scrolling, you need to first initialize one empty array per layer when initially loading the level, then make the proper number of map_array() calls per frame to draw each layer, as follows.

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map_array(array,scroll_coef,x_offset,y_offset)
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array: this is the name of the array, such as "bg" for background or "fg" for foreground.

scroll_coef: This sets the relative scrolling speed of each layer by taking the camera movement commands from your code and multiplying it by the given value for each layer, which is useful for parallax scrolling effects. I recommend using a value of 1 for the foreground and a simple fraction like .25 or .5 for background layers. Layers in front of the foreground would use a value greater than 1.

x_offset and y-offset These set the starting offset of the map in tiles when it's first loaded. They're useful for things like positioning a background layer so that it starts at the right place in the repeating pattern.

In addition to these inputs, width and height of each map are determined automatically, and background maps smaller than the foreground will automatically repeat once the level has scrolled far enough, so background layers can be much smaller than the foreground to save memory.

Map Collision

Although PicoMap doesn't store levels in Pico-8's map memory, it still works with standard tile flags for map collision via use of a small function, afget(), which is included in the test cart and gets flag data directly from the level array. To use it, just replace fget(mget) with afget() in your existing map collision routines, making sure that the array name in the function matches the name you're using for your foreground array.

Entity Objects (Work-in-progress)

By default, background, foreground, and entity object types all function the same way, with the categories merely helping organize map objects. If you uncomment a line of code in the build_array() function used in the viewer cart, no entity objects will be drawn to the map. This is to enable easy and storage-efficient enemy and NPC placement in levels by letting the user add an entry for each entity to a table using data from the entity object like ID number and x and y location for their spawn position in the level.

System Settings

The system has a number of settings that can be adjusted by changing values in the _init() function in the first tab of the editor cart.

obcounts: This table of 3 values controls the number of background, foreground, and entity object slots. There can be up to 236 object types in total, and up to 96 objects in a category can currently be displayed on screen at once. Keep in mind that each entry takes 7 hex digits, so if you want to increase the number, you'll need to add an appropriate number of zeros to the object definition string.

obtype: This sets the default object type that's selected when you start the editor. 1 for background objects, 2 for foreground objects, and 3 for entity objects

grid: Set this to 1 to have the grid turned on by default, or -1 to have it turned off

screen_ht: This value determines how many tiles high a single map screen is. Useful if you want to, for instance, demake an NES game with 15-tile tall screens, or an SNES game with 14-tile tall screens.

bord_obj_ptrn_size: This sets the size of the repeating pattern for bordered objects. Default is 1, but setting it to a larger number can allow larger repeating patterns.

import_cart: This is the name of the cart that the system will import the spritesheet,sprite flags, and map memory data from. Make sure this matches the name of the cart you want to import data from.

export_cart: This is the name of the cart that the system will export your levels to. It's a variable so that the user can create different editor carts for different projects that export to different viewer carts. Just make sure this matches the name of the cart you want to export the current maps to.

spritesheet_w: Sets the width (in pixels) of the area of spritesheet to be encoded to a string.
spritesheet_h: Sets the height (in pixels) of the area of spritesheet to be encoded to a string.

transparency_col: Sets which color is treated as transparent by the spritesheet.


As this is an early version of PicoMap, it's not yet complete and there are going to be bugs here and there. Please let me know about any issues you encounter, as well as any improvements you might think of. Thanks.

P#91798 2021-05-11 17:48 ( Edited 2022-06-23 19:46)

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And now... The moment you've all been waiting for!

P#91828 2021-05-12 01:42

Well, one that some people have been waiting for at least. ;)

It's been up and running for a little while, but I spent some time on the little tutorial that explains the main workings, since I know asking people to switch to a new piece of software can be a tricky thing. I also tried to copy some of Pico-8's appearance and user interface elements to make things feel familiar. Hopefully people won't find it hard to understand or use.

P#91830 2021-05-12 02:47 ( Edited 2021-05-12 05:35)

The new interface and features look good! I especially like the addition of the delete level button

P#93311 2021-06-10 17:28
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Thanks, figuring out how to implement the delete feature and make it work with the undo button took a while, but I think it should help avoid headaches with managing level strings manually. The redesign of the object types should add a lot more versatility and save storage space as well. If you've made some maps it could mess up parts of them, but I updated the tutorial to show how the adjustable pattern-size objects work now.

The next big revision I'm working on will let you layer metatile maps on top of each other for multiple parallax scrolling layers. =)

P#93352 2021-06-11 14:46 ( Edited 2021-07-28 03:23)
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wow! I did NOT know pico8 is also able to do things like this!!

P#93357 2021-06-11 18:53

Interesting. I had looked into metatile mapping that was closer to Blaster Master, with graphic tiles themselves being 'in flux' as far as rotation and pallete in addition to how they're used in the larger map. Didn't get far as it would take a double layer metatile editor along with map editor...BUT, the fact other folks are looking into custom map editing to make bigger maps AND do it with a tool in pico8 I have no choice but to cheer you on. The 'general ram' area of memory has a lot of potential...unlock it!

P#93720 2021-06-19 03:11

Thanks,

I'm not currently using the general use memory, but there's probably some good uses I could put it to. I know there are lots of different approaches to using metatiles, and I've looked at some different types, like a variant that generates metatiles automatically from a map of individually-placed tiles for more versatility, but so far an object-based approach like my current one seems to offer better compression and is less likely to require additional work for users.

P#93746 2021-06-19 19:57 ( Edited 2021-06-20 01:23)
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Woops I was in the process of writing one of these, I didn't see this before. I'm glad you made this, I will need some time to see how it works.

Well done.

P#93878 2021-06-23 08:04
:: touk
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This looks incredibly useful! I have been experimenting with run-length encoding to pack oversized maps, but in testing with a real game it only compresses to about 25%... metatiles seem like they could compress it much further.

P#95367 2021-07-28 02:48

Definitely. For fairly simple maps, such as those in my Super Mario Bros. demo, I've been able to achieve an effective compression ration of about 25:1. This wouldn't be quite as high for denser maps, but I think in general a compression ratio of at least around 10:1 is a pretty safe bet.

In addition to that, though, the system compresses the sprite sheet at least 2:1 and stores it as a string, leaving nearly 12KB available to store level data. This means that even without factoring in level compression you have about 50% more potential level storage space than if you were just using the standard Pico-8 map system.

P#95370 2021-07-28 03:11 ( Edited 2021-07-29 02:23)

Great! I was thinking about storing tiles in Lua RAM but wasn't sure about the speed of copying it back to tilemap memory... if you can reload it every frame, surely I can do it one frame in a while! (I already have a system to detect when the character is approaching another region's border, so I can load the next region just before I need it)

If there's already an import feature I'll use that. Otherwise I won't be able to reproduce my existing level, then I'll just make a smaller one for demonstration at least.

P#99810 2021-11-08 19:12

@huulong,

No import feature, I'm afraid. Levels have to be built using the editor, since instancing defined patterns allows levels to be highly compressed. The copying of tile data is very fast because only about one screen's worth is needed per frame, don't know how the speed would be for a bunch of screens.

P#99820 2021-11-08 19:51 ( Edited 2021-11-08 21:34)

Hmm, just thought about your last comment. Do you mean you don't think the system will be able to handle the size of your map? It currently supports level maps of any width and height as long as width*height doesn't exceed 256 screens. Not sure if that's big enough for your whole map, but if not, you must be working on something pretty ambitious!

P#99830 2021-11-08 21:36

Import: ok, I see, patterns must be added by hand rather than deduced, but that makes sense. I got a lot of filler tiles so that would give great compression in those areas.

Limitation: no, I meant human limitation, the fact I have to redraw each region by hand. That said patterns will make filling faster at least, so it will be more about copying the unique parts of each region. I have many repeated parts like small bumps though, so again patterns may make the work faster there. (I only need 8 regions equivalent to one PICO-8 tilemap without the shared memory)

P#99940 2021-11-11 18:28 ( Edited 2021-11-11 18:28)

It's been a while since I checked this, and quite a lot of progress has been made.

P#104041 2022-01-01 20:45
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Yeah, It's definitely a longer-term project. I've been working on the next version, which will add a number of new features including an autotiling system. It's taking a bit longer than I expected though, since layering the tiles in a way that's versatile and easy to use has proved complicated. Also, I'm trying to keep the size and token count of the cart functions as small as possible, and that's involved a lot of code refactoring.

Here's a little preview:

P#104088 2022-01-02 04:39 ( Edited 2022-01-02 04:45)
:: merwok

Have you noticed the «big maps» feature in latest release?
We can store extra maps in high RAM and use a poke to make the map functions take data from there.
Maybe that’s interesting for this program?

P#105000 2022-01-13 16:56

Yes, I noticed that. The next version of PicoMap will use the extended memory, but for storing compressed level data and not storing the decoded maps directly. I decided on this because storing them in arrays allows maps that can be twice the maximum size and have any desired dimensions, setting up parallax scrolling layers is made very simple, and each tile entry can store extra data that allows layering options for autotiling.

To avoid any extra difficulties due to not using the map memory directly, I've also made a small function that works as a drop-in replacement for fget(mget) and gets flag data directly from a level map array, so you'll be able to use your existing map collision routines.

P#105017 2022-01-13 18:12 ( Edited 2022-01-14 05:00)
:: merwok

That makes sense and sounds great!

P#105079 2022-01-14 16:28

@JadeLombax maps can be of any width now, allowing maps to be stored linearly

P#105080 2022-01-14 16:32

@freds72,

Well, I know the width is adjustable, but I thought I read it could only be set in 32-tile increments.

In any case, the current setup I have allows for levels up to 256 screens in size, and I could actually increase that if I wanted. Also, setting up parallax scrolling layers is super simple and the background maps don't eat into the space used for the foreground, and you can do some very useful things with layering autotiles using the fractional bits of each array entry.

P#105081 2022-01-14 16:47 ( Edited 2022-01-14 19:34)

Hi, I've been trying out PicoMap lately and I've enjoyed it so far. I'm not sure if this is already known, but it seems that the PicoMap cart doesn't have the "Game Cart Functions" tab as mentioned in the tutorial.

P#107558 2022-02-23 20:58

@CptRedder,

Sorry about that, I decided to move the game cart functions to a separate cart to maximize level storage space and make using the functions a little easier. They're all in the "testcart" cartridge now, I just hadn't updated every part of the tutorial, need to do that.

Anyway, glad to hear you're enjoying the program so far.

P#107560 2022-02-23 21:42 ( Edited 2022-02-23 21:44)

@JadeLombax
Thanks for letting me know. I think I've accidentally overridden the testcart cartridge during my confusion and fiddling around with the program ^^;
Is there a way you can link / paste the Game Cart Functions?
Thanks so much!

P#107561 2022-02-23 21:44

Well, you could try redownloading the cartridge from the link here. Also, you'll need to make sure that the name that you save it as and the export_cart_name variable in the main program match. I'll see if I can tweak a couple things and make that process a bit less error-prone.

P#107562 2022-02-23 21:48 ( Edited 2022-02-23 21:49)

Alright, thank you, I’ll let you know if something comes up! Good work on the tool

edit:
The Testcart seems to be running fine when I import my map.
However, when I try to put it into my main game, I'm getting a Runtime Error for the variable "Z".
Note: I've put the _init() and _update60() functions as picomap_init() and picomap_update60() to be placed in my respective init and update functions.

I think for now I'll mess around with the "export cart" variable since I think I have misunderstood its meaning.

edit2: I think I figured out the issue and everything seems to be working now albeit in a way I didn't anticipate. I'll work with this. Thanks for the help

P#107563 2022-02-23 21:53 ( Edited 2022-02-23 22:20)

I'm a bit confused on how to utilize the Entity category for things such as player and enemies. Would the player and enemy sprites need to be part of the tileset in the map editor?

P#107567 2022-02-23 22:36
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As I mentioned in the tutorial, entities are a work-in-progress. By default, they're just another category of map object, but I put in some code "hooks" to let you have the system not draw them and instead add an entry to a table of level entities, using ID number and position data for entity type and spawn point. There's no particular method you have to use for enemy sprites, I left that open, partially because I'm thinking about adding a sprite banking system to a later version of PicoMap. The player character isn't considered an object, so is totally separate from all this.

P#107573 2022-02-23 23:36 ( Edited 2022-02-24 16:40)

Thank you. I apologize for all the questions; I'm not well-versed in compression methods and am slowly learning through Pico-8.

So from what I'm understanding, is it possible for me to store my already-existing player and enemy sprites into Tabs 3 and 4 of the sprite editor? I noticed PicoMap's compression utilizes at least Tabs 1 and 2 of the editor but I'm not sure if I should also find a way to store my already-existing sprites as their own strings.

P#107576 2022-02-24 01:06
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By default, the whole spritesheet is compressed into a string when you export your levels, so all you need to do is copy and paste your sprites into tabs 3 and 4. Guess I didn't specifically explain that, partially because I've been thinking beyond just a single screen of sprites.

Don't apologize for asking questions, it's great feedback that I can use to help others understand the system more easily.

P#107578 2022-02-24 01:27 ( Edited 2022-02-24 02:20)
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This is awesome and has relaxed me significantly from some fears I had about combining my project with this tool. Thanks so much once again! I'm really excited to work with it more.

P#107579 2022-02-24 01:39

Hm, the entity system seems perfect for my pick ups (which need to be spawned, then detect collision and disappear if picked), and possibly my special background objects too (I have a palm tree that is made of a trunk + symmetrical left and right leaves using sprite flipping for minimum spritesheet size, which require custom rendering).

I already have my own system which detects tiles of a certain ID, but because I am using multiple cartridges to store multiple patches of tilemaps, I have to iterate on all of them, and for each, reload tilemap memory and spawn the special objects. If you complete the entity system, it could streamline my loading code a lot!

P#107601 2022-02-24 17:34

It seems when I try to change the export variable to a backup cart of my main game and hit Export, it completely wipes that cart's code and existing sprites while adding in a bunch of junk sprites. It also fails to let me copy-paste my old sprites, put them into Tabs 3 and 4, and then save since it will always revert to the empty cart with junk sprites. I'm not sure if I'm doing this wrong--it hasn't happened before.

Does it get messed up when I try to export my map to a cart in which the byte count doesn't allow it to be saved as .png anymore?

P#107612 2022-02-24 21:34 ( Edited 2022-02-24 21:35)

Hmm, not sure exactly what's happening, but I wonder if my explanations still weren't clear enough. The only time you should copy and paste sprites into the spritesheet is in the editor, before exporting. To help me understand what's happening, could you upload the cart in question with "garbage sprites"?

P#107613 2022-02-24 21:46

@huulong,

I guess I haven't been sure exactly what to do with the entity system, first because I haven't made a game yet that uses something like that, second because I'd like to leave things open enough for people to do whatever they like with the system. I'll look at what people like Zep have done with things like that, and see if I can figure out something fairly simple and open-ended.

P#107615 2022-02-24 21:50

Cart #frostbite_v16_1_nocode-0 | 2022-02-24 | Code ▽ | Embed ▽ | No License
@JadeLombax
Ah, so my character sprites should've been included in the PicoMap editor, not just in the cartridge I'm exporting to...
Here is the cart that is being weird. I exported my map from PicoMap to this, which is a duplicate backup cart of my main game.
The cart before I tried exporting had my main game code and my character sprites. After I exported, there is no code and the spritesheet has been replaced with the "junk sprites".

P#107616 2022-02-24 22:32 ( Edited 2022-02-24 22:32)
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Okay, I don't fully know what the issue is, but I have some ideas.

First, make sure that the export file name variable is set not just to the correct name, but also the right file type. I usually use .p8 instead of .p8.png because .p8 files can be saved and loaded easily, and the code can exceed the compressed file size limit, as long as it's not over 65,535 characters. I've also found that if I export to a non-existent cart, one is created, but it only has binary data in the spritesheet and no code. Not sure if that's exactly what's happening in your case, but it sounds similar.

Second, I think there's still some confusion over how the system works, and that's okay, it's pretty counterintuitive. Basically, the system transforms the cartridge's whole memory layout on startup. Usually graphics go in the 8KB spritesheet, and map data fills the 4KB beyond this (if you want a full spritesheet). PicoMap compresses the spritesheet to a string, condensing it around 2:1, or up to about 25% of the code space, which generally shouldn't be a problem. With sprite memory freed up, the system can use the full 12KB of space usually reserved for sprites and map data just for levels. It's not compressed, but since the metatile system squeezes it down so much, it's not very compressible anyway.

So, long story short, you don't need to put any sprites in the viewer cart spritesheet, those are all placed there when the program starts up, and the "junk sprites" you mentioned are actually your level data. The patchy lines at the start are data for the object types you've defined, and the solid mass of colors down further is your actual levels, which are currently only using about 1KB of over 11KB of space that's available. Most games probably won't need all of the available space for level data, so I'm working on some ideas for storing another spritesheet worth of graphics in there (which would really help for NES ports). For now, though, you have at least one whole spritesheet, and a whole bunch of room for levels.

P#107618 2022-02-25 03:18 ( Edited 2022-02-25 14:24)

I did put the correct file type and tested it multiple times and it resulted the same way, so maybe it’s not that. But thank you so much for the explanations; it really cleared up a lot for me how it works once again. I think I will fix the sheet I’ve been trying to do and follow this workflow more closely, then tweak my current sprite and animation systems to work with this.

P#107687 2022-02-26 13:21

Wow, that's strange, exporting data has never erased the code for me. You mentioned that you made a "duplicate backup cart", does that have the same name as the original, or a different one?

If nothing else, I guess you could just force it by exporting your levels, then pasting the data strings to the cart with the level data in it, then copying all your code over. Either that, or if you want to upload your editor cart and the cart you're trying to export to, I could see if I could get it working.

P#107689 2022-02-26 14:42

Well well well, what have we here? I have no excuse now!

P#107865 2022-03-01 06:36
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@Turbochop,

Well, things are mostly in place, but fitting all the graphics for a Contra port on one cart is still a bit beyond what the system can do at present. I think all the main level tiles should fit in one spritesheet and I'm working on that here and there (the sprites for level one take one sprite tab, but the other levels have less graphical variety). Another spritesheet's worth will be needed for all the character and enemy sprites, though, then some more for the bosses and one-off structures, title screen, ending, etc. I think it's doable, but the graphics compression system needs more work.

P#107875 2022-03-01 16:31 ( Edited 2022-03-02 02:04)

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@JadeLombax
Sorry for the long delay! Things got really busy.

By "duplicate backup cart," I meant that my original cart was called say "frostbite v16" and the backup cart I was exporting to was called "frostbite v16.1". For Picomap, I did use "frostbite v16.1" to replace the export cart string variable.

Anyway, I've uploaded the cartridges. These are versions I saved and uploaded newly just a few minutes ago. I don't want to risk touching the older versions from last week or else things will get confusing.

Thanks so much for looking in on this.

P#107939 2022-03-02 21:01
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After an initial look at the editor cart, looks like the system's being overloaded somehow, and the CPU usage is over 200%. This hasn't happened in my testing, so I'll look into what's causing it. The main level wouldn't export, so I'm thinking the problem is that the system slowdown caused by the CPU overload is causing a bug in the export code. I created a smaller test level using the cart and exported that, and it worked fine. I'll let you know when I figure things out a bit more.

P#107979 2022-03-03 17:01 ( Edited 2022-03-03 17:03)

Woah! That sounds a bit wild. I’m wondering if I accidentally went over the screen limit, but I’m pretty sure I ended up with 256 screens.

P#107983 2022-03-03 17:35
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Don't worry about overshooting the number of screens, the code won't actually let you do that. After looking at things a bit more, though, it seems there are two main issues.

First, I didn't stress-test the editor as much as I probably should have for very large levels with a high total number of objects, especially a large number of objects on one screen. Apparently the object filtering code needs some more optimization, and I'm working on some ideas for that.

Second, it looks like in quite a few places you drew many small objects on top of each other, sometimes five or six. It also seemed like in some spots maybe you used eraser objects to try and delete other objects? I wonder if this is due to ambiguity in my descriptions. If you want to delete an object, you need to mouse over its top left corner so that a black and white x appears and press the x button, which will remove it from the level string. Drawing over an object with another object doesn't delete it, and 'eraser' objects also don't delete anything, they just mask off sections of objects, allowing the background to show through. To remove ambiguity, I think I'll rename them 'mask objects' or something like that.

In addition to the performance issues, though, with the current setup you're not getting very good level compression. The system's designed to compress levels highly by letting you draw them using a relatively small number of objects per screen. The number of objects directly affects the storage size, with each object taking 2 to 3 bytes depending on how variable its size is. I was surprised to see that not many screens were filled in, but those that were had approximately 20 to 100 objects each, which is far more than I've used in my tests. With an average number of objects around, say, 40, each filled screen will average a bit over 100 bytes. This results in a net compression ratio of only about 2.5:1, vs. between 10:1 and 25:1 that I've gotten in my demos so far, so you're not getting nearly the compression advantage the system's supposed to offer.

P#108039 2022-03-04 15:47 ( Edited 2022-03-05 23:51)

Been busy with work and other stuff, but I've been optimizing the editor code. Objects are now pre-processed when loading a level, and data is cached in a large table, greatly reducing CPU load for large levels with lots of objects. Maximum CPU usage for the Frostbite level is down from 266% to 63%, and I'm hoping to optimize it a bit more. There are a few bugs I need to work out, and a couple small features I'd like to add, but version 0.41 should be up within a few days.

P#108502 2022-03-12 16:43 ( Edited 2022-03-13 04:31)

Alright, version 0.41 is up. Took longer than planned as getting everything working proved a bit tricker than expected, and in addition to better performance I went ahead and added several ease-of-use features. For example:

  • Now you can easily import sprites and map data from another cart
  • Object's bounding boxes are shown when they can be deleted, which makes it a lot clearer what you're going to delete
  • You can toggle on/of a display of how many objects are in range of the current screen, and how many total are in the level
  • Camera position is bookmarked for each level map, so you don't have to scroll around so much when working on multiple maps

Details are in the changelog, and I updated some elements of the tutorial (still need to update some of the gifs, though).

P#109255 2022-03-27 13:53 ( Edited 2022-03-28 02:57)

How does one save a level and then load it again in the editor. That is not clear to me.

I think I have a firm grasp on the rest of the way the editor works, thanks very much for this!

P#113506 2022-06-22 21:09

@bitJerico,

Saving levels is covered in the expandable "using the editor" tutorial in the main posting. Basically just quit the program using escape and paste the contents of the clipboard over the existing data strings.

P#113510 2022-06-22 23:13
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