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Rammite



 

Voxatron Wiki - Give us a hand!

Voxatron has a wiki!

http://voxatron.wikia.com/wiki/Voxatron_Wiki

However, it is in very bad shape! Before I came in to help, it only had the main page and a very basic table of the enemies. Right now, I'm working on filling out bare-bones pages for the enemies, but we'd appriciate it if you guys helped out!

We don't know much about Voxatron. It's only been out 2 days. But hopefully, we can learn everything there is to learn and catalogue it in this Wiki! When it is updated with more features or when we make more sense of the editor, hopefully the wiki will grow.

But that all starts with you!

P#2188 Posted at 2011-11-01 21:34
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GnomeSlice



 

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+1, this is a great post to have in the forums.

P#2189 Posted at 2011-11-01 21:36

FostRoDah



 

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I will try to help as much as I can

P#2191 Posted at 2011-11-01 21:41

thescythianking



 

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I wrote something int he first time playing its basic but helpfull

P#2192 Posted at 2011-11-01 21:43

Rammite



 

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Thanks for your contribution! It's certainly helpful!

We need to get this off the ground and get it noticed. Hopefully, by the time Voxatron is updated with more features, we'll have a solid source of information.

P#2193 Posted at 2011-11-01 21:47

Jumbify



 

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I recommend you open the front page to editing too:
I made a Voxatron logo for the front page. :3



You also should get your own url for the wiki.

P#2200 Posted at 2011-11-01 22:08

FostRoDah



 

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Power up page with images done

P#2206 Posted at 2011-11-01 22:30

GnomeSlice



 

:: VOXODE info.

I did a page for the Voxode level editor, but for now I've just copied the text from the readme file that comes with the game, and then formatted it to display properly on the wiki page.  Once I get time, I'll sit down and write out a proper one.

@Rammite Are you the owner of the wikia page?  If so, can you give me access to all of the tools, including editing the home page?  I'm studying interactive multimedia so I'd love to give the page design a go.

P#2207 Posted at 2011-11-01 22:31

FostRoDah



 

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Item page also done

P#2215 Posted at 2011-11-01 22:51

GnomeSlice



 

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Fixed the grammar/spelling of the item and powerup pages.  Also, fleshed out the info therein a bit more.

P#2219 Posted at 2011-11-01 22:56

FostRoDah



 

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Much appreciated, as my english is far from being perfect.
Also, I got the lucky 1,000 edit medal, lol.


P#2223 Posted at 2011-11-01 23:02

dorino



 

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I'll sign on. I'm not too good at writing articles, but I'm a capable spellchecker and grammar nazi. This shall be my calling.

P#2224 Posted at 2011-11-01 23:05

FostRoDah



 

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Off to sleep, I will finish the monster page tomorrow if its not done by then.
Also, GnomeSlice, the wiki founder is Grumpychris0 (http://voxatron.wikia.com/wiki/User:Grumpychris0)

P#2225 Posted at 2011-11-01 23:12

Rammite



 

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@GnomeSlice: No, I'm not the owner, and I don't even know him. I'm just (to my knowledge) the first editor. I'll see if I can contact the owner and have him acknowledge our support.

P#2288 Posted at 2011-11-02 09:15

GnomeSlice



 

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Eesh, I've never used Wikia before.  The formatting is a little unintuitive.

@Rammite I've already sent him a message, but it's still probably a good idea to get in touch with him.  He's probably wondering why so many people are suddenly editing his wiki.

P#2294 Posted at 2011-11-02 09:52

dorino



 

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Fixed formatting on numerous pages and some grammar. Wiki looks nice.

EDIT: Also created a couple pages.

P#2430 Posted at 2011-11-02 19:53

LJRadio1000



 

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I found a bug: once i was playing my own voxatron level with the timeline, i exited the editor and the timeline was still there. when i played a BBS level, it showed the timeline for that level!!

P#2433 Posted at 2011-11-02 20:20

dorino



 

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@LJRadio1000 This thread is about the wiki. Bug reports should probably be forwarded to Zep. A good place to post them would be  here, or in their own topic. It always helps to provide as much info as possible to recreate the bug -- Your OS, what levels you were playing, etc.

P#2435 Posted at 2011-11-02 20:26

eamonn



 

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Would love to help but for a reason unknown to me I cannot access any wikia pages, images, or anything else hosted under a .wikia URL (connection timeout, server is taking too long to respond). This problem has been plaguing me for a while, if anyone here happens to know what might be the problem let me know. In the meantime I'm going to do some google-assisted detective work

P#2516 Posted at 2011-11-03 05:21

zep



 

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Hey, the wiki is looking great. I put a link from the main BBS page to this thread to hopefully generate more contributions. I'll add to it too when things settle down.

I'm a bit late to suggest this, but would you be interested in shifting the wiki on-site instead? I could install some standard wiki software.

Disadvantages:
Have to shift the existing entries over
Have to wait a couple of days for me to set it up

Advantages:
No advertising
Possible future features like cross-searching the BBS and wiki etc.

I think it's a great initiative and exactly what Voxatron needs. Especially for the ins and outs of using the designer.

Let me know what you think, I'm happy to go with either format but instinctively would like to move it on-site for greater future possibilities and because I find the advertising on wikia quite distracting.



P#2889 Posted at 2011-11-04 18:13

Jumbify



 

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I think that sooner or later the wiki would have to be shifted on site, its just more professional, and there would be more options for formatting.

P#2893 Posted at 2011-11-04 18:40

Rammite



 

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Yeah, go for it! Right now, we only have 28 pages to tackle - moving it now will be much easier than the hundreds later down the road.

I'll be honest - I'm really proud of this wiki. It's gotten so far in so little time. *manly tear*

P#2948 Posted at 2011-11-05 00:12

GnomeSlice



 

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@zep That would probably be excellent, but I don't htink the wiki initiator is actually any of the users in this forum.  However, a standalone wiki here would probably be ideal.

P#2990 Posted at 2011-11-05 09:07

FostRoDah



 

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I agree with Rammite, making the change now is the best thing to do. I still have the imges from most pages and the background and logo, so that should not be a problem.
Im really proud of this wiki as well.

We just have to contact Grumpychris0 (the wiki founder), hopefully he will agree.

P#3013 Posted at 2011-11-05 11:08

Jumbify



 

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Honestly we don't need to contact Grumpychris0, he dosn't own Voxatron.

P#3027 Posted at 2011-11-05 12:41

FostRoDah



 

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Not really, but if he refuses or something we might end up with 2 wikis. We will know wich one to use, of course, but new users might get confused

P#3028 Posted at 2011-11-05 12:50

Jumbify



 

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Not really, because the voxatron.wikisomthing url isnt even connected to this site except by this post.

P#3030 Posted at 2011-11-05 12:56

FostRoDah



 

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I know, but the wiki will still be found on google. When I want info of a game "X", I google "X" wiki, I don't go into X's webpage to see if there is a wiki for the game.
Something similar happens to Team Fortress 2, there's an official wiki and the tf2 wiki.

And besides, being polite is never a bad idea. He created the wiki, so we should at least tell him the wiki is being moved.

P#3032 Posted at 2011-11-05 13:10

Jumbify



 

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True true...

P#3034 Posted at 2011-11-05 13:18

kylekubik



 

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I think moving the wiki to this site would be great! also, while it's here, maybe zep could help us with some of the harder to find stuff, like the dragon's exact health. XD

P#3035 Posted at 2011-11-05 13:22

FostRoDah



 

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Indeed, he could also tell us the official monster names.
However, it would be interesting if he didn't, and let the monsters have any name we imagine, after all, voxatron is a lot about creating stuff, and letting our imagination flow (and we could just use generic names for the wiki, like the ones we have been using).

P#3040 Posted at 2011-11-05 13:34

kylekubik



 

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Yeah, that would be kinda cool. that's my favorite part about games in alpha, they evolve around the players.  

P#3041 Posted at 2011-11-05 13:39

grumpychris



 

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Alright, I have decided whether the wiki should be moved, and my answer is......

It should be moved to the site.
:D

P#3068 Posted at 2011-11-05 16:10

Rammite



 

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Joyous day!

P#3074 Posted at 2011-11-05 16:21

FostRoDah



 

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Joyous day indeed!

P#3075 Posted at 2011-11-05 16:23

zep



 

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Great! Cheers grumpy, and thanks for kicking it off in the first place.

I'm looking at a couple of wiki software possibilities. I'll keep you updated in this thread (there's a link at the top of the main BBS page).

I'm crunching for the next couple of days on vital BBS improvements and bug fixing, but will get to it as soon as I can.

Of course, I'll be glad to contribute to the wiki myself before too long. In the meantime I've enjoyed seeing the monster names you've come up with. The names I use internally are mostly silly, except that I quite like tinymon and multimon.

orange/purple gremlin
orange/red grunt
butamon, or sometimes basher
dillo
tinymon // little blue guy
multimon
stiltman
snail
dragon
alien

The dragon has 60 HP, but only takes 1/4 damage to his body (so, 240 body shots)

P#3119 Posted at 2011-11-05 19:09

FostRoDah



 

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Adding the names now. Some are very silly but they blend well with the vibe of the game :P

P#3120 Posted at 2011-11-05 19:21

kylekubik



 

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:O 1/4th damage.. it all makes sense now! Thanks. I really like the dragon btw, it is very well made. I've fought him about 25 times, and its still fun! XD

P#3122 Posted at 2011-11-05 19:27

GnomeSlice



 

:: Wiki migration questions.

@zep if it's not too much of a hassle, what wiki software have you been considering?

My main question though, was that since you've decided to move the wiki over to this site, how are you going to go about wiki administration?  I don't think you'll be able to monitor the entire thing yourself.  Perhaps some of the prominent users from the previous wiki?  just tossing this out as it's something you'll likely need to consider.


Also, since you mentioned BBS improvements... we need to be able to remove uploaded files!

P#3398 Posted at 2011-11-06 22:42

dorino



 

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I'd be happy to volunteer on the on-site wiki to "moderate". I'm very fond of the wiki being moved over -- What wikia allows is negligible.

MediaWiki, yes? That's generally the standard, and those of us familiar with Wikipedia bots/stubs/templates wouldn't have any problem getting to work right away.

P#3400 Posted at 2011-11-06 22:46

zep



 

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I'm leaning towards MediaWiki too. I'll have some time to install it tomorrow.

For sure, we need moderators! After it's up and running I'll add anyone from the existing wiki who's keen.


P#3530 Posted at 2011-11-07 14:20

GnomeSlice



 

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I'd be glad to help out, although I certainly won't be able to do it alone, what with college finals coming up.  However, I take this sort of thing seriously, and I'll drop in whenever the opportunity presents itself.

On the actual topic of the wiki, did you have any special design planned for it @zep?  I'm sure you could make it work following the same theme as the rest of the site, but I think it might be neat to spike it a bit.  =]

P#3575 Posted at 2011-11-07 19:40

dorino



 

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The standard white wiki design ala wikipedia would probably be fine. That'd be the easiest thing for MediaWiki, and it'd also help since wikis are generally standard... Rather not change the interface too much.

I've got finals coming up too - 4 weeks, I think? Anyway, I'll still have quite a bit of time to dedicate to the wiki.

P#3578 Posted at 2011-11-07 20:00

FostRoDah



 

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I would like to help out as well.
My Holidays are 2 or 3 weeks away (and all the time-consuming stuff is pretty much done) so I will probably have lots and lots of free time.
I'm okay with MediaWiki, I will have to get used to it but I am a quick learner and I enjoy figuring out stuff.

P#3581 Posted at 2011-11-07 20:26

zep



 

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Alright, I set up a mediawiki here: www.lexaloffle.com/voxwiki/

We should try it out a bit before moving anything over. Feel free to make test edits and let me know if you think it's suitable.

here's some help on editing:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing

It seems reasonably flexible and able to reproduce most of the formatting on the existing wiki

I enabled image uploading -- there's an upload file link on the bottom left.

I couldn't find a nice way to duplicate lexaloffle bbs accounts, so you'll have to sign up again sorry! For now, I just set it so anyone who is logged in to the wiki is allowed to edit pages. If that becomes a problem we can fall back to explicitly ok'ing editor accounts.


P#3596 Posted at 2011-11-08 01:41

JTE



 

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Looks great, zep! Much appreciated! I do like mediawiki, although I've heard it can be prone to spam. Hopefully there won't be much of a problem immediately, it can get worked out as we go.

P#3601 Posted at 2011-11-08 02:45

JTE



 

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Hey wait... The wiki refers to the level editor as "Voxode" for some reason, the readme refers to it as "Voxde", and the game itself refers to it as "Voxed". Which one is right? I was thinking "VoxEd" sounds correct... But now I'm not sure.

P#3603 Posted at 2011-11-08 03:32

JTE



 

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Aww. I tried to upload an image ( http://www.lexaloffle.com/voxwiki/index.php/File:Voxed.png ) and it gives me a PHP error: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7056000 bytes) in /home/lexaloff/public_html/voxwiki/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 362

What? :( Oh well. Page editing/creation works, though!

P#3604 Posted at 2011-11-08 03:54

Rastarave



 

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Nice, the new wiki is much better, the adverts on the old one were ruining it.

P#3606 Posted at 2011-11-08 04:02

JTE



 

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http://www.lexaloffle.com/voxwiki/index.php/Editor

Made a page similar to the wikia's Level Editor page. I'd like to think it's more accurate and slightly more complete (it contains sections for the editing area and the timeline, and mentions things change in the voxel editor, how could we forget that?), but not nearly as detailed yet.

The thumbnail on the page is File:Voxed.png, which works as a thumbnail only because I re-uploaded it paletted, but the history page gives the PHP error if you click on it, probably due to the older image being unable to generate a thumbnail at all. :(

P#3608 Posted at 2011-11-08 05:21

eamonn



 

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I'd be glad to help out now that I can access the wiki (can't access .wikia sites for some reason), but someone needs to move the pages over first so I don't start writing out a page that already exists. Alternatively, if someone could post a list of the current pages here/ what pages need writing, that would be awesome.

P#3610 Posted at 2011-11-08 05:55

b0rsuk



 

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I'm for moving the wiki away from "wikia". Wikia sucks. It's slooooow and bloated, not just ads but unnecessary interface elements.

P#3612 Posted at 2011-11-08 06:13

JTE



 

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I haven't encountered a problem with this mediawiki other than the memory thing for processing large images.

Based on the above error message and the file I used, I'm assuming the maximum size of a single image it can manage is roughly... 32kb? Maybe 24?

Even then it still displays as long as you use it full-size instead of thumbnailing it, and the image can always be replaced, although its properties page can't be accessed directly due to the out-of-memory error stopping it.

P#3644 Posted at 2011-11-08 14:23

JTE



 

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Oh, and there really wasn't much information on the wikia to begin with, unfortunately, so don't be afraid of rewriting everything. Yeah, there's a page on basic controls/gameplay, another listing all actors in the game, and another listing all items...

I guess the screenshots are salvageable, although I'd prefer versions without the grey grid on the bottom (save a vob and crop to just the generated thumbnail of the item, perhaps?) but all the real meat that NEEDS to be on a wiki is in the editor, which was barely fleshed out to begin with beyond the basic room editor's toolset.

In the last edit I added a section of "Tips and Tricks" which really NEED to find a way to be incorporated into the editor's page(s) at some point:
*    Placing the actor that looks like the player in the room sets where the player will appear when the room is loaded. Placing a powerup or other item inside the player actor will cause them to immediately and unavoidably pick it up. This can be used to force the player to switch weapons or start with a bonus multiplier or just award health without leaving it laying around.

*    To make a room appear to be entered from a different direction, for instance when going 'backwards' from an alternate path, make a copy of the room and change the player actor. Select the room you want to copy in the rooms list, press Ctrl+C to copy, make a new room and make sure it's open in the room editor, press Ctrl+V to paste it. Note that all items and enemies will be spawned every time the player enters the room, so it's usually better not to leave free points laying around or remove them from the new copy.

*    Copying and pasting works in the voxel editor, too! You can use this to move items between the six pages of editable prop objects, and even copy actors and items and paste them into the object editor as statues. Placing statues of health packs in places where a player would really need them is a very evil thing to do!

*    There are six "voxel object banks" available to keep your level props and objects in. The first has a few default objects in it, but you can save or load entire pages to/from it by simply opening the page of objects you wish to save, hitting the "Save Level" button, and naming the file something that ends in .vob or .vob.png ... The resulting image will contain all of the objects in that page of objects, but will not be a playable level. Similarly, loading a set of props will replace the currently selected page.

*    Naming the first room "_dojo" makes the Sword of Fortune permanent, even if you take damage, and also makes the game start with one.

*    When using _dojo, grabbing another weapon powerup will still change your weapon, and when it runs out of ammo the player will be reverted to the normal pea shooter. However, picking up another Sword of Fortune will be permanent again. This can be useful for transitioning between shooting and swordfighting.

*    Item 9, the door object, has two modes: When used with "door mode" set to "off", the object appears in the map as a floating rainbow squid-thing and setting the room to go to as a room that doesn't exist (-1 is handy for this) or the same room, it normally ends the game. However, when door mode is "on", the game does not end and the invisible door item is instead "picked up" like every other item. This can be used to trigger events, such as hidden items that appear only when the player is standing directly on top of them.

*    Using multiple player spawn actors will teleport the player to each one as it is activated. This can be used in conjunction with events such as the invisible door objects outlined above or a timer after monsters have been defeated, to move players to an otherwise difficult to reach place, such as another room in the same area, or on top of a high pillar, without reloading the map.


These are all VERY useful things to know for any adventure-creator, and it took a while for me to learn all of them. The only thing I left out (because it wasn't officially released at the time...) is that you can copy-stamp actors between completely different files if you leave the editor open, which allows you to 'steal' the dragon boss actor from the alpha campaign if you have it, which is otherwise inaccessible since its object number was never added to the editor. (It is supposedly a pile of quick hacks just to show off that larger moving objects are possible, after all.)

P#3645 Posted at 2011-11-08 14:36

FostRoDah



 

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I tried copy/pasting templates from wikia and (unsurprisingly) some worked and some didn't. I exported all the templates for media wiki, but sadly I need privileges to import them into voxatron's. I also copy/pasted the enemies pages (and added it's pictures) and it worked perfectly.

P#3653 Posted at 2011-11-08 15:47

Rammite



 

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Oh, I'm loving the new wiki. I've always thought mediawikis were much more cleaner.

I'll help as much as I can to transfer existing material over to the new wiki.

P#3659 Posted at 2011-11-08 16:43

dorino



 

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Needs Parser extension.

Edit: Also, it done crashed. The infobox template as it stands (incomplete, I was just pasting over the standard Wikipedia one, page by page) gives a memory error. 32mb doesn't seem to be enough. l Zep: Install the standard Infobox template, lock those pages, and put it back up.

P#3728 Posted at 2011-11-09 16:43

GnomeSlice



 

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Oh, the wiki refers to the editor as 'Voxode' because I spelled it wrong.  Sorry about that. :P  I'll take a look at the new wiki shortly.

EDIT:
I've added a bunch of links to non-existent pages on the wiki, so please go ahead and fill them in with content.

I've also appended the above 'tips and tricks' as a sub-section of the editor's page, though I'm not sure how you guys want to have everything look.  I've never really worked on a wiki before.

P#3743 Posted at 2011-11-09 20:21

zep



 

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Alright, it looks like the new wiki is good to go then. I bumped the php memory limit up to 40mb -- Let me know if you still have trouble uploading large images.

Parser extensions look nice, but do we really need them? I want to keep the installation as clean as possible so it's easy to maintain, as I think it will become a crucial resource. I'm open to persuasion though -- could you give me an example of when they would be useful?

Also (I'm a bit of a noob at this) -- how does the templates thing work? Is it needed to allow importing stuff from the existing wiki in the same format? If so, I'd rather just manually reformat it (for similar reasons)

I'll take a pass over the editor section in the weekend and add some more prominent links to the wiki early next week.


P#3880 Posted at 2011-11-10 15:46

FostRoDah



 

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Im a bit noob at templates as well, but to my understanding, no, it is not needed, in fact, I easily ported the box template I did to this wiki, others failed a bit, but the formatting problem goes only for templates. Copy pasting articles from the old wiki will work, as long as we have replicas of the old wiki's templates in the new one.
The problem is, the wiki has no basic, pre-installed templates at all. Some of those are needed for custom templates, and some are just useful for pages (like the stub one).
Copy/Pasting all of them is a load of work, so the idea is to import them from another wiki that is similar to the one we intend to create (I would suggest minecraft's).

P#3887 Posted at 2011-11-10 17:46

JTE



 

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ParserFunctions would be vital to me. I have crafted a monster page template which includes a list of behaviors each monster exhibits, such as if it can jump, shoot, or break voxels. Unfortunately, without ParserFunctions, it is currently completely impossible for me to automate this to ANY extent, instead I am forced to rely on clumsy manual template input to populate the list.

Compare:
{{Monster|Alien.png|8|damage=y|jumps=y|shoots=AlienShot.png|shotsbreak=y|evades=y}}

{{Monster|Alien.png|8|behaviors=* Damages player on contact
* Jumps
* Shoots [[File:AlienShot.png]] which breaks voxels
* Attempts to evade the player's projectiles}}

The newlines are non-negotiable, and this list needs to be made consistent/extended across each page manually, particularly if the wording of some lines are changed or additional representative icons are added.

P#4089 Posted at 2011-11-12 11:23

JTE



 

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I wonder if alternatively I could call templates for each behavior from inside the template to pass them? That kind of thing sounds completely ridiculous.

P#4194 Posted at 2011-11-12 23:26

Le3F



 

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I'd love to help out if I could!

P#4196 Posted at 2011-11-12 23:40

dorino



 

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Parser extensions make infoboxes a piece of cake, and general templates really easy.

P#4287 Posted at 2011-11-13 20:46

GnomeSlice



 

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@Rammite can you edit your original post to include the proper link to the new wiki?  It's a pain searching through to find it each time when you don't have it bookmarked.

P#4288 Posted at 2011-11-13 20:53

dorino



 

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Added individual pages for every monster with a standard format. Most content copied from the previous Wiki and reformatted.

Also added a bunch of redirects... mainly, the 'old' names that people at the original Wiki had created for the monsters redirect to the 'correct' names.

@JTE Your monster template is exactly why we need Parser. The behavior thing is cumbersome and it would be so much simpler otherwise. Also, you italicized text on monster pages... I kind of took the liberty to change those to "flavor" texts. The stats are listed above, and on the page, so there's no need to restate the stats. Think of the italicized text on M:TG cards. (nerdy ol' me has been playing a lot of Wagic on the PSP)

P#4313 Posted at 2011-11-13 22:37

SignPainter



 

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I would love to be able to help out the wiki. I am very bored with the game (too much playing), and played most of the player created levels. I would like to be able to help out at the wiki. I will start by editing pages now.

P#4347 Posted at 2011-11-14 07:07

JTE



 

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I did not italicize text on monster pages... What? You mean the additional notes-type thing at the bottom? I suppose. It was mostly there because I couldn't think of a decent way to add in things like the movement speed or other interesting unique features of a particular monster that don't really fit into any of the generic behavior checkboxes, you know?

Actually, since every monster has SOME particular movement speed of relevance, generally either being very fast or very slow (or in the Alien's case, both) it'd still be better to have a section of the template specifically to give the speed in some distinct measure of units. I don't know, voxels per second?

P#4482 Posted at 2011-11-15 23:13


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